美国在伊拉克的战争已过去十年,现在的伊拉克怎么样?
不是看一个网友说“现在的伊拉克人过的不错”,还没想过这问题,就去查了下。
下面是知乎的,
装逼,讲大义,举数据,打嘴仗的略过,直接上结论:
单看gdp是和邻国伊朗利比亚差不多的,
但人均一下就下来了,(情况和天朝一样。)
还有就是战后至今伊币通胀严重。
有人也拿出联合国人类发展指数,
“2018年伊拉克的排名是120,很不幸,1990年的时候比越南高0.1,现在比越南还低,30年发展基本打水漂。”
但别光听中国网友怎么说,毕竟墙内可能不客观,
上了一下quora,
查了一条叫:How is Iraq now?的问题,
(原话机翻给了大家,方便阅读可直接看中文翻译)
一位居住生活学习都在巴格达的叫Omar Meriwani的网友2018年的回答:
250 Kills per month. A very bad weather. High percentage of illiteracy, 30–40 live under poverty line, no exports except oil, no industry, 15–20% jobless young graduates, very dense population in the capital Baghdad, a lot of checkpoints everywhere in the country, many militias and many gangs controlling small kingdoms and governments inside the bigger government.
每月250人死亡。非常坏的天气。文盲率很高,30-40岁生活在贫困线以下,除了石油没有出口,没有工业,15-20%的年轻毕业生失业,首都巴格达人口非常密集,全国各地都有很多检查站,许多民兵和帮派控制着大政府内部的小王国和政府。
住在旧金山的Roger Grainger:
Two things: (!) Iraqi leaders are sympathetic ( if not aligned with or supporting) more to the Shia side of Islam than the Sunni side of Islam, meaning that Iraq is far more aligned with Iran than with the US; (2) the USA under Trump has no clear and published strategy for the presence of American military forces in Iraq.
两件事:(!)伊拉克领导人对伊斯兰教什叶派的同情(如果不赞同或支持的话)多于对伊斯兰教逊尼派的同情,这意味着伊拉克与伊朗的结盟远远多于与美国的结盟;(2)特朗普领导下的美国对美军在伊驻扎没有明确和公开的战略。
一位美国网友说:
Extremely bad. Corrupted government, people are protesting all around the country and people are getting killed and kidnapped (but government and militias), People need the world to step beside them to get rid of these politicians and thieves
非常糟糕。腐败的政府,全国各地的人们都在抗议,人们被杀害和绑架(但是政府和民兵),人们需要全世界的人站在他们旁边,以摆脱这些政客和小偷
而一个现在伊拉生活的女的说:
The situation is guided by the people, Mu'tasim, universities are closed, schools are closed, and the government refuses to give in to the demands of the people. Iraq and Baghdad. We are sitting in Tahrir Square ... in the provinces of Basra, Karbala and Najaf we are say the demonstrations are peaceful and they beat them with tear bombs in their heads
这种情况是由人民引导的,穆塔辛大学已关闭,学校关闭,政府拒绝向人民的要求让步。伊拉克和巴格达。我们坐在解放广场。。。在巴士拉省、卡尔巴拉省和纳杰夫省,我们说示威是和平的,他们用催泪弹打他们的头
K. Sebastian Ross2020年6月的回答:
Most of what I'm explaining has been on the news, over the next few months bases housing US troops were attacked with Katyusha rockets. These attacks were committed by the Iranian backed PMF (popular mobilization forces), who were officially sanctioned by the Iraqi government -as they did the brunt of the fighting against ISIS. These PMF groups were also gunning down protesters by the hundreds, all with the blessing of the Shite led Iraqi government.
For months, as protesters braved their government's bullets, just to peacefully demand an end to corruption and better opportunities of life, these rockets would fall (albeit harmlessly on US bases) I think one of the closest calls we had was one night a rocket hit the roof of our PX, the only casualty -thankfully, was the frozen food refrigerator. And that was just the thing, for the time being we had no casualties and little damage, thus far the little proxy war with Iran was a bloodless one - and our response was minimal. The most we got was a little scare and an increased security posture (having to wear body armor, etc), and I suppose to these Iran backed militias they got their message across to the 'great satan'.
Just a little history of Katyushas -back in WWII they were nicknamed 'Stalin's Organs' by the Germans -due to the sound the rockets made, and they were a terror weapon with utter destructive power….when fired by the thousands for hours on end . And yet when fired individually or in small numbers -once every month if that, they were at most a means of harassment. These were simple rockets -and had no guidance systems, so with little to no accuracy they would more often than not land harmlessly on the dirt sometimes not even within the base perimeter. However, when you fire these weapons often enough -no matter how ineffective they are -eventually you hit something, and that was what happened a few days after Christmas on one of our bases.
我解释的大部分都是新闻,在接下来的几个月里,美军基地遭到了卡秋莎火箭弹的袭击。这些袭击是由伊朗支持的人民动员部队(PMF)发动的,他们得到了伊拉克政府的正式批准,因为他们在打击伊斯兰国的战斗中首当其冲。在什叶派领导的伊拉克政府的支持下,这些武装力量还枪杀了数百名抗议者。
几个月来,抗议者们冒着政府的子弹,只是为了和平地要求结束腐败和获得更好的生活机会,这些火箭弹会落下(尽管在美军基地无害),我想我们接到的最接近的电话之一是一天晚上,一枚火箭弹击中了我们PX的屋顶,唯一的伤亡者——谢天谢地,是冷冻食品冰箱。这就是问题所在,目前我们没有伤亡,也没有什么损失,到目前为止,与伊朗的小代理战争是一场没有流血的战争——我们的反应是最小的。我们得到的最多的是一点恐惧和加强的安全姿态(必须穿防弹衣等),我想这些伊朗支持的民兵,他们得到了他们的信息传达给'大撒旦'。
喀秋莎的一段历史——在二战时,他们被德国人昵称为“斯大林的器官”——由于火箭发出的声音,他们是一种具有毁灭性力量的恐怖武器……当数千人连续数小时发射时。然而,当被单独或少量解雇时——如果是每月一次的话,那顶多就是一种骚扰手段。这些都是简单的火箭,没有制导系统,因此它们通常会在地面上无害着陆,有时甚至不在基地周围。然而,当你足够频繁地发射这些武器时——不管它们多么无效——最终你击中了什么东西,这就是圣诞节后我们的一个基地发生的事情。
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还有在巴格达工作的说撒达姆时期比现在强多了的,感觉只有主观观感,没有详实说明,就没放。
其他回答不一一列举了,差不多都是负面评价,
有兴趣自己去查吧。
不是看一个网友说“现在的伊拉克人过的不错”,还没想过这问题,就去查了下。
下面是知乎的,
装逼,讲大义,举数据,打嘴仗的略过,直接上结论:
单看gdp是和邻国伊朗利比亚差不多的,
但人均一下就下来了,(情况和天朝一样。)
还有就是战后至今伊币通胀严重。
有人也拿出联合国人类发展指数,
“2018年伊拉克的排名是120,很不幸,1990年的时候比越南高0.1,现在比越南还低,30年发展基本打水漂。”
但别光听中国网友怎么说,毕竟墙内可能不客观,
上了一下quora,
查了一条叫:How is Iraq now?的问题,
(原话机翻给了大家,方便阅读可直接看中文翻译)
一位居住生活学习都在巴格达的叫Omar Meriwani的网友2018年的回答:
250 Kills per month. A very bad weather. High percentage of illiteracy, 30–40 live under poverty line, no exports except oil, no industry, 15–20% jobless young graduates, very dense population in the capital Baghdad, a lot of checkpoints everywhere in the country, many militias and many gangs controlling small kingdoms and governments inside the bigger government.
每月250人死亡。非常坏的天气。文盲率很高,30-40岁生活在贫困线以下,除了石油没有出口,没有工业,15-20%的年轻毕业生失业,首都巴格达人口非常密集,全国各地都有很多检查站,许多民兵和帮派控制着大政府内部的小王国和政府。
住在旧金山的Roger Grainger:
Two things: (!) Iraqi leaders are sympathetic ( if not aligned with or supporting) more to the Shia side of Islam than the Sunni side of Islam, meaning that Iraq is far more aligned with Iran than with the US; (2) the USA under Trump has no clear and published strategy for the presence of American military forces in Iraq.
两件事:(!)伊拉克领导人对伊斯兰教什叶派的同情(如果不赞同或支持的话)多于对伊斯兰教逊尼派的同情,这意味着伊拉克与伊朗的结盟远远多于与美国的结盟;(2)特朗普领导下的美国对美军在伊驻扎没有明确和公开的战略。
一位美国网友说:
Extremely bad. Corrupted government, people are protesting all around the country and people are getting killed and kidnapped (but government and militias), People need the world to step beside them to get rid of these politicians and thieves
非常糟糕。腐败的政府,全国各地的人们都在抗议,人们被杀害和绑架(但是政府和民兵),人们需要全世界的人站在他们旁边,以摆脱这些政客和小偷
而一个现在伊拉生活的女的说:
The situation is guided by the people, Mu'tasim, universities are closed, schools are closed, and the government refuses to give in to the demands of the people. Iraq and Baghdad. We are sitting in Tahrir Square ... in the provinces of Basra, Karbala and Najaf we are say the demonstrations are peaceful and they beat them with tear bombs in their heads
这种情况是由人民引导的,穆塔辛大学已关闭,学校关闭,政府拒绝向人民的要求让步。伊拉克和巴格达。我们坐在解放广场。。。在巴士拉省、卡尔巴拉省和纳杰夫省,我们说示威是和平的,他们用催泪弹打他们的头
K. Sebastian Ross2020年6月的回答:
Most of what I'm explaining has been on the news, over the next few months bases housing US troops were attacked with Katyusha rockets. These attacks were committed by the Iranian backed PMF (popular mobilization forces), who were officially sanctioned by the Iraqi government -as they did the brunt of the fighting against ISIS. These PMF groups were also gunning down protesters by the hundreds, all with the blessing of the Shite led Iraqi government.
For months, as protesters braved their government's bullets, just to peacefully demand an end to corruption and better opportunities of life, these rockets would fall (albeit harmlessly on US bases) I think one of the closest calls we had was one night a rocket hit the roof of our PX, the only casualty -thankfully, was the frozen food refrigerator. And that was just the thing, for the time being we had no casualties and little damage, thus far the little proxy war with Iran was a bloodless one - and our response was minimal. The most we got was a little scare and an increased security posture (having to wear body armor, etc), and I suppose to these Iran backed militias they got their message across to the 'great satan'.
Just a little history of Katyushas -back in WWII they were nicknamed 'Stalin's Organs' by the Germans -due to the sound the rockets made, and they were a terror weapon with utter destructive power….when fired by the thousands for hours on end . And yet when fired individually or in small numbers -once every month if that, they were at most a means of harassment. These were simple rockets -and had no guidance systems, so with little to no accuracy they would more often than not land harmlessly on the dirt sometimes not even within the base perimeter. However, when you fire these weapons often enough -no matter how ineffective they are -eventually you hit something, and that was what happened a few days after Christmas on one of our bases.
我解释的大部分都是新闻,在接下来的几个月里,美军基地遭到了卡秋莎火箭弹的袭击。这些袭击是由伊朗支持的人民动员部队(PMF)发动的,他们得到了伊拉克政府的正式批准,因为他们在打击伊斯兰国的战斗中首当其冲。在什叶派领导的伊拉克政府的支持下,这些武装力量还枪杀了数百名抗议者。
几个月来,抗议者们冒着政府的子弹,只是为了和平地要求结束腐败和获得更好的生活机会,这些火箭弹会落下(尽管在美军基地无害),我想我们接到的最接近的电话之一是一天晚上,一枚火箭弹击中了我们PX的屋顶,唯一的伤亡者——谢天谢地,是冷冻食品冰箱。这就是问题所在,目前我们没有伤亡,也没有什么损失,到目前为止,与伊朗的小代理战争是一场没有流血的战争——我们的反应是最小的。我们得到的最多的是一点恐惧和加强的安全姿态(必须穿防弹衣等),我想这些伊朗支持的民兵,他们得到了他们的信息传达给'大撒旦'。
喀秋莎的一段历史——在二战时,他们被德国人昵称为“斯大林的器官”——由于火箭发出的声音,他们是一种具有毁灭性力量的恐怖武器……当数千人连续数小时发射时。然而,当被单独或少量解雇时——如果是每月一次的话,那顶多就是一种骚扰手段。这些都是简单的火箭,没有制导系统,因此它们通常会在地面上无害着陆,有时甚至不在基地周围。然而,当你足够频繁地发射这些武器时——不管它们多么无效——最终你击中了什么东西,这就是圣诞节后我们的一个基地发生的事情。
-----
还有在巴格达工作的说撒达姆时期比现在强多了的,感觉只有主观观感,没有详实说明,就没放。
其他回答不一一列举了,差不多都是负面评价,
有兴趣自己去查吧。
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